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Do You Support Obama's Healthcare Plan?
Mark in Idaho- Last Online: Apr 01 2011
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I have heard horror stories from the Atlantic provinces, especially the islands.
Do I deny that you have had acceptable care? No. But that is just your anecdotal experience. It is not the same for all Canadians.
You are the one who said your system uses TRIAGE as a deciding factor. That is the big variable, along with adequate doctors and clinics.
My BC friend moved to Canada with his Canadian born wife for the Canadian health system about 20 years ago. If was great for raising a healthy family. Once there were health issues, his opinion quickly changed.
Do you have an excuse for how your system is wanting to pull the plug on baby Isaiah James? He is improving but not as quickly as the Canadian system accepts for continued support.
If you think everything in Canada is so great, then why do you need to get health care in New York?
I am not concerned about a single payer system as long as that single payer does not prevent the health care consumer from choosing their own health care. Mandating health care includes mandating against choice.
We have a Constitution that has never allowed the government to mandate health care. But our current crop in Washington DC would rather toss our Constitution in the trash. They see health care as the easiest way to get their agenda started.
What will Canadians do when our health care system no longer allows private payer or personal choice?
Seniors are already mandated into MediCare, except for a very few protected groups like government workers. Now hospitals are closing their doors to MediCare.
The Mayo Clinic will not take MediCare patients at one of its Arizona clinics. It lost $840 million last year due to underpayments by Medicare. It is testing to see what happens if they close this clinic to seniors. They will be looking at closing the entire system to MediCare patients.
It sounds like they are wondering if they can keep the clinics and hospital busy enough without MediCare patients. Maybe they will start an outside clinic system that pays MediCaid like wages to the doctors. fyi, MediCaid pays even less that MediCare. Both are government funded and regulated.
ObamaCare will likely force me to find a different health plan at a much higher cost, likely $200 to $300 per month more.
Our current system needs some fixing but not an overhaul.
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It's sad to notice people having to struggle with hospital bills.
In the Netherlands this never is the issue.
Because only scientific medic interventions are approved by a national medical board, and medical interventions are quantumised in cost-per-unit, medical aid has professionalised and benefits from market- economy only the healthy way. More-over, here are no volunteers on the ambulances, health-careworkers have maximum working hours (on average 8 hrs a day) and short waiting-lists.
How is it possible that in the us, where people are used to working more efficient, more hours and have very professional education, score so much worse on delivering proper health care to its citizens?
The answer for us is taking the best of our system. The result will be better circumstances for health care professionals, insurers and a blistering improvement for the people.
Hurry up! Some officials need to look at the best practice in health care systems of some other countries and there will be some hard work for new government bureaus 'new style'; but this radical change in the system will be very achieveble and the benefits will be huge.
It is ubelieveble to see the u.s. struggle on this behalf. Don't be blind to immense improvement options!! Go therefore! It's inhumane to wait! For you and your fellow citizens!
The challenge with something like the Netherlands system is quite simple. Here in the USA, we have a Constitution that prevents the government from forcing us to participate in a mandatory health insurance program.
Parliamentary forms of government are not restricted by a Constitution like ours. Ours protects the citizens by not allowing the federal government from meddling in our lives, especially by forcing us to buy something.
Our health care problem is more due to over-use and abuse due to the pharmaceutical companies pushing every expensive drug they have. The bureaucracy of health care administration takes too much of a piece of the health care dollar. If we had some tort reform to limit the abuse of malpractice suits and have access to the track records of physicians so we can avoid the negligent physicians, we could make better choices and reduce the costs.
The American medical Association has prevented access to the malpractice history of doctors and protected them from competition by protecting their fees from becoming public.
Try to get an estimate of treatment costs from just about any doctor. They will refuse to tell you except in very vague generalities.We have access to the best medical technology in the world, but it comes at a price.
We also have the best FDA money can buy to regulate health care and drugs.
We also have 30 years of reverse discrimination (affirmative action) that has compromised our medical school graduates' skill level.
When we get the money grubbers out of the health care of this country, it will improve. We also need to end the third party payer system. If the health care consumer had to pay more (even if it was reimbursed later) at the time of service, they would become better consumers. They would be more careful about how they use or abuse the health care system.
You can keep you socialized or government mandated health care systems. We are American who choose to remain free from government intrusion in our lives.
Thanks but no thanks
Hans Pool, I agree with you. With the tremendous resources and education that we have in the U.S., modeling our health care system after one that is successfully and efficiently run is the only viable answer.
Surprisingly, I agree with Mark in that we are currently mired in big-business greed, system abuse and unnecessary bureaucracy. The Obama administration would like to change that, but insane politics and rabid partisanship make any move forward nearly impossible. That's not to say that every idea Obama puts forward would work without temperance. Nobody really knows what will work and what won't until the system is in place and anyone who says they do is either deluded or lying. People, especially those who make their living from followers, love to make dire predictions and assert them as fact...and there are always sheep to lead. The trouble most people have with understanding the big picture is removing their personal fears from the equation. But one thing we can say with certainty given the historical data and the number of upcoming retirees is that the current system must change or fail.
sherrisaid, Interesting you complain about partisanship. Obama's administration has no tolerance for any ideas that are not his own. Even Reid and Pelosi refuse to allow any dissenting discussion from across the aisle.
As many Democrats are starting to notice, we need leadership from the White House, not partisanship. Obama treats any opposition as an enemy. No willingness to compromise or even discuss other views.
Now, we have the Gulf being destroyed because Obama refuses to waive the Jones Act so the Dutch can help with the clean-up with their high tech oil spill technology. Bush waived the Jones Act after Katrina. It is not a difficult decision to make. Obama will just have to tell SEIU and the Teamsters to get a life. The Gulf is more important than partisan union politics.
Mark you are right on! I have the most savvy dental patients in Florida. I educate my patients as to the conditions my exam reveals, discuss possible treatments. Based on their decision as to what they want, they agree to pay at the time of treatment for the service. At time of treatment, I perform the service, I fill out the insurance forms, mail the forms for the patient to their insurance company and the patient is re-imbursed directly by their insurance company. There are credit plans available for those who want an extended payment plan. It is simple. I get paid at the time of treatment and patient uses their insurance for re-imbursement or the treatment can be financed with a credit plan. The is a BIG SAVINGS when agreement for service is based on honest face to face communication and trust is created. Everyone has been exposed to the finger pointing with the low trust 3rd party payment programs of the government and insurance companies. That will be the outcome if we keep Obama care. Chaos and failure.
The Dutch health caressystem is a relatively recent and has no long term track record. It may be a good model for the people of Holland who are used to government controls. It has not been in effect long enough to see how everyone scams the system (that is common to all controlled systems). I am sure Dutch politicians and officials get the best care there. I am not sure that the American people would put up with the increased controls and elimination of choice.
