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Subject: Growing Bolder | Conservatives: I get it.

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Conservatives: I get it.

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Added: Fri. Mar 06, 2009 9:50am
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The last thing I want to do is brand myself as a political blogger or self-appointed expert because I am neither. But I keep hearing a repeated theme, parroted from the likes of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, coming from the conservative people who follow and engage me. I often engage conservatives in conversation, and watch conservative programs for the simple reason that I cannot turn away. It's like watching one of those shark attacks in slow motion. It's gory, it's bloody, it's over-exaggerated, and it's fascinating in its horrifying carnage.

People keep asking me "Don't you understand that you are paying taxes to subsidize people who don't want to work" ? And my answer is "Don't YOU understand that we'll pay those taxes no matter which party is in power? That the Republicans will use it to make war and the Democrats will spend it at home to help our own people?

See, that's where this gets sticky. I may not have a political education credentials, but I have a brain - a pretty good one - and I've been following politics since Nixon was elected. In 1968 during Nixon's campaign, I was nine years old. My dad was following the campaign pretty closely because he liked George Wallace. You'll have to forgive my dad, he's from Mississippi. My very first political debate was challenging dad when he made a comment about how good Wallace would be for the people. I remember telling him that Wallace was a nut and his platform unworkable and racist. I disagreed with Nixon's platform issues, and the remaining candidate, Hubert Humphrey, was the only candidate talking about bettering America and the American people. So, of the three, even though Humphrey was a weak, non-compelling speaker, he was the best choice. Dad did his best to tell me what I should think and ended the argument with "as long as you live under my roof, you will vote for who I say you will" and I responded with "I'm 9. I can't vote for anyone. But if I could, it would be MY vote and not yours, and I would decide who to vote for". I was probably not an easy child to raise.

Enough about me. Here's what I want conservatives to know. I do understand your objections. I do agree that there are a lot of people out there who milk the system. Who take advantage of government handouts, MY tax money, to sit at home and pop out kids so they can get even more money. People who claim to be disabled when they aren't. I get it.

I also get that there are a lot of people who are on a losing track and have been so beat down by the system, generation after generation after generation, that they have no hope. That they will settle for those measly government handouts because they never had a shot at life. They were crippled before they were born by societal view and by societal treatment. I'm not only talking about black people. I know that prejudice exists, but what I'm really talking about is poor people who are ordinary. If you're poor, your color doesn't matter. You can't get a quality education, so you can't get a decent job. You can't get credit, so you can't get a loan, and even if you do get a business loan, you don't have the education or the savvy to run a business because you were never exposed to those principles. So my advice to poor people is: be brilliant or extraordinarily talented because otherwise, you are doomed to poverty. No matter how hard you work, you are going nowhere unless you are ten times better than a rich person.

Plus you have the added attraction of police suspicion, especially since 9-11 and the loss of rights that came with Homeland Security, a poorly worded bill that was wholly embraced and bastardized by local law enforcement to institute profiling and previously illegal searches and arrests. Thanks, President Bush. Nice work. Most people don't know the extent of the damage done to our freedoms, but someday you will. Someone in your family will find out first hand how corrupt justice has become and how little power we have as individuals to combat it. Unless, of course, you're connected. Which means rich and influential. Neat how that works.

I don't speak for every liberal, but I believe we have to change things from the ground up. Which means we have to support the deadbeats we created and help their children. We have to raise the next generation, and the generation after that, to be productive. To be able to earn a living and more. To be able to think for themselves because they have nourished brains capable of sustaining thought, and not fed on measly food stamps and what passes for nutrition at school. Some kids only get that one meal at school, and I've been there. I was a fully involved parent and volunteered at school as often as I could. School lunches are disgusting and nutritionally inferior to anything I would feed my kids at home.

Let me make something else clear. I'm not poverty stricken and neither were my parents or my grandparents. We have always done fairly well for ourselves. I'm not even related to anyone who can be considered poor. So I don't advocate for poor people for direct personal reasons. I advocate for them because I see this country being run into the ground. Poor people do desperate things. Violence, drugs, alcoholism and crime rises when people become desperate. I don't want to have to barricade myself and raise my own food because we have ignored the poor for so long that their primary source of income is preying on people like me, something we see far too often in the news. We have to raise ourselves up as a whole, and that can only be done by taking care of people who have no means to take care of themselves. They need jobs and food and health care. And we all need to be safe. This is going to take a while. Two generations, at least. But imagine a world where even people who are not movers and shakers can be independent. Where jobs are available and new companies succeed and are not choked out by conglomerates. Where young people think "I need to study hard and work hard and make something of myself to succeed" instead of "There's nothing for me unless I sell drugs. There is no future after the car wash". We must restore America - all of America, including the poor and the minorities - to the basic principle that hard word equals success. We have lost that ideal. Hard work today does not equal success. If you can earn more on welfare than at a minimum wage job, and you will never, ever rise above the minimum wage job no matter how hard you work, then why leave welfare or encourage your children to do so? If you know that nothing awaits you but failure and humiliation, what's the point of hard work? That's what we have to change. Opportunity. Rewards for hard work. Get people off welfare by giving them something better. Pride.

I get it. Do you?





  • Posted 9:19am August 4th, 2009
    Here, here.  I can't remember the last time I've heard someone espouse such a thoughtful, engaging, optimistic, common sense dialog regarding our current reality.  Thanks for the moment of lucidity.  It's not easy to touch on hot button topics like government handouts, Limbaugh and Beck, and conservatives/liberals, but you pulled it off without sounding like a mindless wonk.  Unfortunately, people tend to balkanize themselves and have no clear unspoiled insight into what others who aren't like them or don't pass through their lives (even fleetingly) truly think.  Generally, they hear some of the blather that passes for commercial talk show chatter, which is basically a ploy to sell commercials, therefore is an attempt to garner market share (heaven forbid they actually believe some of the idiocy they profer); then they latch on to some simple explanation to push some convoluted idea that turns out to be nothing more than conservative or liberal talking points (usually cloaked in patriotism, religion, fear, etc.).  Thanks for thinking and sharing.  

    Oh and for Steve, no we didn't create poverty, but interestingly enough after Poland went to a capitalist style/market based economy, led by Lech Walesa and his Solidarity movement, U.S. advisors were sent to answer questions and assist him while forming their new government.  Walesa asked one advisor what could be done regarding people who lost their jobs and desired work (under the previous communist regime, everyone was assigned jobs).  The advisor informed him there was going to be some unemployment, which is an unavoidable, integral consequence of a capitalist economy.  I always thought that was strange until I studied economics in college and at the university and found that to be the reality.  Under a market economy, unemployed individuals allows the holders of capital (business owners, factory owners, etc.) to pay lower wages, as, generally speaking, wages are the only cost holders of Capital engaged in business can manipulate, most other costs (e.g., electricity/energy, raw materials, real estate/rents, shipping costs, etc.) are controlled by the marketplace.  So it isn't all about being too lazy to find work or refusal to work.  As Sherisaid stated some people work hard all their lives and never get above minimum wage, while not true for all, definitely true for some.  Also one of the main reasons unemployment/medicare and other such money distributions exist is so capital, i.e. money, remains in the market and keeps people buying products, goods and services; therefore it is a subsidy to producers of products, goods and services to help them to continue in business until the economy turns around.  Steve is engaging in an old conservative platitude, blame the victim.



  • Posted 1:14pm March 6th, 2009
    Steve, for the record, I don't think we should take from the rich. I think rich people should pay reasonable taxes. I think we should spend our money more wisely, on things that will make this country better, wiser, safer and stronger.

    But it's interesting that you think you know what I, and all liberals think. I don't even know what other liberals think, and I couldn't even begin to understand how conservatives think. Are you my dad?




  • Posted 12:33pm March 6th, 2009

       The biggest problem with liberals is that they believe we, society, created poverty. I don't know why they believe that. They have evidently not studied history. They believe that life is a zero sum game, which is the belief that one participant's gains result only from another's equivalent losses. This is so misguided that it just makes me cringe.

       This is, was, and will always be the greatest country in the history of the world because anyone can be whatever he or she wants to be. Faith, accountability, personal responsibility, and good old fashioned hard work is how you get there. You can't make poor people rich by making rich people poor. I want a liberal to define to me what rich is. I'm a custodian and I don't think I'm rich. However, liberals do think I'm rich because I work and pay taxes. That's who I think liberals see as rich...anybody they can tax to get money to redistribute to create a super large voting base which will keep them in power. Classic class warfare. The analogy they love to use is that Robin Hood took from the rich and gave to the poor. This is true to a certain extent. He did take from the rich, but the rich he took from was the GOVERNMENT! The sheriff who collected confiscatory taxes from hard working people to stuff the governments coffers.

       There are avenues of help but I believe they must come from the private sector. We are the most charitable people in the world and we always help those who truly need it. That is why I believe the government exists to, like our founding fathers believed, protect us from enemies foreign and domestic and to take care of those who CAN'T take care of themselves. Not those who WON'T take care of themselves.

       George Bush didn't create poor people. Abraham Lincoln didn't create poor people. No one CREATED poor people. I am responsible for what I am...the individual is responsible. Not rich people, not corporations, not the evil right wing conservative. It's each individual person's responsibility to make what he or she can out of themselves. Have faith in a goal...look for help in achieving that goal...take responsibilty for yourself, and work your tail off. Unlike my liberal friend who I'm responding to here believes, you can achieve the American dream. I know you can and believe you can. A safety net is there but don't rely on it...rely on yourself. I DO GET IT!





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